Friday April 21 11am-1pm at History House, 133 Macquarie St. You can find out more and buy tickets here.More »
In the first seminar of the 2017 events calendar, OH NSW Presdient Anisa Puri and Vice President Scott McKinnon share insights arising from their own long experience into the possibilities and pitfalls of oral history interviews. Find details and buy tickets here.
The final OH NSW seminar for the 2016 was'Painful memories - interviewing survivors of trauma'. The three speakers were insightful, thought-provoking and engaging. If you couldn't be there, there's no need to miss out- you can listen to the audio of the event right here.More »
The final OH NSW seminar for 2016 was'Painful memories - interviewing survivors of trauma'. The three speakers were insightful, thought-provoking and engaging. If you couldn't be there, there's no need to miss out - audio of the event is right here.
From 2017, Oral History Australia's annual journal will be published online only. Comprehensive and useful indexes to the content published throughout its hard copy life, from 1979-2016, are now available here.More »
Oral History Australia's annual journal was first published in 1979. From 2017 it will be available online only.
Indexes to all the material published in the journal throughout its hard copy life - articles, reviews, reports and peer-reviewed papers - are available here. These are an invaluable resource, well worth exploring.
View a short welcome video from Dr Indira Chowdhury, one of the 2017 Oral History Australia Conference's Keynote Speakers, on the conference website here.More »
View a short welcome video from Dr Indira Chowdhury, one of the 2017 Oral History Australia Conference's Keynote Speakers, on the conference website here.
Aviva Sheb’a writes about a project that utilises oral history in a different and unusual way ...More »
Aussie, strictly Kosher, recent ballet school graduate, 17-year-young flamenco and jazz dancer Aviva goes to entertain the troops in Vietnam – with a rhythm and blues band. What could possibly go wrong?
I toured (then South) Vietnam for three months, March to June, 1970. The most common exclamation there: this is a war zone, Baby – improvise!
My inability to readjust to life in Australia following my tumultuous tour, as well as my innate lust for adventure and performance led me to travel widely and to live and work in several different countries. My survival and sanity-saving mechanism was – and remains – my art. I developed my own method of using voice and body as a way to express and integrate my deepest emotions, coining the term, Vocal Dance, while working and living in Amsterdam in the 1970s.
In 1996 my two young children and I moved from Dunolly, a small town in Central Victoria, to Adelaide, where I began writing This is a War Zone, Baby – Improvise! I intended to write it as a book and as a one-woman show, with each selling the other. I had no idea how to write a book, though had devised and performed two shows before. I thought I’d knock it on the head in 18 months. Bwahahahaha!
Twenty years on, I’ve performed the show in numerous versions; the book is in draft innumerable. Having the book manuscript professionally assessed three years ago showed me how to improve it by putting aside five years’ work – saving it for something else. Lesson: spend a few dollars on a good manuscript assessor and save a fortune in time and effort. (Thanks to Christine Paice, who did a marvellous job swiftly, with enormous compassion and integrity.)
The first season of the show was in the Adelaide Fringe, 2000. The final performance was 30 years to the day after innocent, naïve, over-protected Aviva arrived in the thick of the Vietnam War. I have kept developing the show, performing at in theatres, festivals and conferences. As the title suggests, each show is different. In 2013, This is a War Zone, Baby – Improvise! was the first of the Merrigong Theatre Company (Wollongong) Make it@Merrigong Studio Sessions, directed by Anne-Louise Rentell. In 2014, Anne-Louise and I presented together at the International Oral History Congress in Barcelona. As well as excerpts from the show, we talked about our individual approaches to making performance from oral history, and our collaboration, which started in 2010.
I am currently rehearsing a new version under the direction of University of Wollongong Creative Arts Faculty’s Dr Janys Hayes. We are enjoying the process of discovering what Janys brings out of me. One of the delights of working with a great director is finding new ways of expression. I’ve been extremely fortunate to have worked with Anne-Louise, and now Janys. That they’re friends who have a great respect for each other is a huge bonus.
This time, audiences will laugh and cry as I share some of the stories I’ve not performed before, as well as showing the development of Vocal Dance. Those who wish will also have a chance to join me and experience the joys of Vocal Dance.
Recently, the Phoenix Theatre Company received ownership of the Bridge Street Theatre, and are hosting a season of This is a War Zone, Baby – Improvise!
October: Friday 21, Saturday 22 at 8pm, Sunday 23 at 3pm. Bridge Street Theatre, 24 Bridge Street, Coniston (Wollongong). Tickets: $15. Bookings http://www.phoenixtheatre.net.au/
Read outgoing OH NSW president Professor Paula Hamilton's address to the recent AGM, and meet incoming president Anisa PuriMore »
This is my last Report for the 2015-6 year as I have been President of Oral History Association NSW for three years and it is time to pass the baton to others.
So in writing this address I ask myself what have I learned and what have I contributed to this not for profit organisation with 200 or so members? Intellectually I have tried to place the remembering more at the centre of oral history practice, rather than the interview itself. Memory as we know, ‘refers to the past as it is lived’ and my own research over a number of years has been so enriched by the study of memory and how it works as an act of imagination, interconnection and is conjured through the senses – smell, taste, touch, sight and most of all sound. The vivid memories connected with sensory triggers are produced almost entirely through chance associations, so there is that wonderful sense of happenstance that infuses the otherwise purposeful interview.
I have also aimed to link the practice of oral history more with how it is used, by asking metaphorically: who listens, and how?
Practically I have aimed at expanding our reach: not just to focus on basic workshops held regularly at our Sydney base but to get out there and both teach oral history and spread the word to a variety of groups – so over these years myself and others who gave workshops, launched books and talked, have been to Riverina, Wagga, Young, Wollongong, Captains Flat, Grafton, Dubbo, Kandos, Tumut, Newcastle. Part of this has been expanding the capacity of local studies library collections for the state library regional co-ordinator Ellen Forsyth through educating them about oral history projects and preservation of oral history as records. Of the Sydney suburban areas we have also given talks at Ashfield, Lane Cove, Camden, Callan Park.
Second, I have tried, with the help of digital savvy members of the committee who know better than I about the potential of new media platforms for oral historians, to encourage stronger engagement with different ways of using oral history for communicating with people, beyond the website and the book, particularly through our digital storytelling workshop, podcasting, and radio. I would like to see more exploration about what is possible in different forms and how it varies. Can you tell more and better stories from an oral history tourist-type listening post or kiosk in the street? Or is it more evocative to make podcasts to use along waterways or country town walks?
I have also aimed to develop better access to collections of oral histories that are already in existence, assisting the Dictionary of Sydney project digitisation of the Liverpool oral history collection, a project started by Virginia Macleod before me; and the major project to which OHNSW contributed both money and time that was to survey the state library collection of oral histories over 770 tapes/digitising data, again with my colleague Virginia MacLeod. Our report to the library has helped librarian Bruce Carter to build a research guide to the oral history collection that is ongoing.
What I take away is a renewal of faith in the humanity of people at large – no matter what goes on in politics, the vast bulk of people I meet are keenly interested in the past, have great stories and are just decent good people who want to understand and find out about the past and its meaning on a personal, local or national basis.
Over the three years working with a shifting members of a committee and been on several trips I have also made new friends. They say if you put two oral historians in a car together for four to six hours travelling to workshop destinations, then they will know each other’s life story at the end and this is true; I have learned insights from those in different walks of life on the committee and valued their ideas and contributions. We have had some very good discussions on occasions, as a sideline to the business of committee work. We are now also in the throes of organising the next national Oral History Australia conference to be held in Sydney in September 2017. After a reluctant start from your committee it now seems to be going very well and we want to hold the best event we can with our resources.
I have not always been successful in my endeavours but I would like to give heartfelt thanks to everyone who has assisted along the way. (Much of the work of a committee like this and a newsletter is hidden). Raphael Samuel, a British historian is famous for saying that producing History in any form is’ the work of many hands’ and we all know that is the case as more of our efforts become formal collaborations with different organisations. I know any improvements will be carried on by those who succeed me with ideas for different directions that will keep the future of Oral History NSW safe. So keep in mind: when the replicant in the film Blade Runner says that ‘experience is washed away in time like tears in rain’ he clearly had not met any oral historians!
Professor Paula Hamilton, President, August 2016
AND INTRODUCING NEW PRESIDENT, ANISA PURI …
Anisa Puri is a professional historian with a wide range of experience in historical research, oral history, heritage interpretation, and project management. She has a Master of Public History from Monash University and was the Project Officer of the Australian Generations Oral History Project from 2012-2015.
Since 2015, she has worked as a Historian and Heritage Consultant at GML Heritage. In this role, she has conducted historical research, written detailed and summary histories, produced Heritage Interpretation Plans, and developed interpretive content for an exhibition. She is also currently working on the HIV/Aids Volunteers Oral History Project as a research assistant at Macquarie University.
Anisa has been a committee member of PHA Vic and Oral History Victoria. Her first book, Australian Lives: An Intimate History, co-authored by Professor Alistair Thomson, will be published by Monash University Press in 2017.
The OH NSW AGM on Saturday August 27 elected a new president and a committee with some familiar and some fresh faces. Follow link for details.More »
OH NSW’s AGM was held on Saturday August 27, at History House. Professor Paula Hamilton stepped down from her role as president, and previous president Virginia Macleod stepped down from her role on the executive committee. The meeting expressed heartfelt thanks to both. They continue with key roles as organisers of the 2017 OH Conference being held in Sydney, and Paula also remains on the OH NSW executive committee. The new president of OH NSW is Anisa Puri, who has been an active committee member for several years, most recently as coordinator of the OH NSW events calendar and the OH NSW facebook page (go on, like us!) Other members of the newly-elected committee: Scott McKinnon (vice president), Andrew Host (treasurer), Bruce Carter (public officer), Cheryl Ware (secretary), Sally Zwartz (website), Catherine Freyne and Paula Hamilton. As well, Francis Good will continue in his role as editor of Network News.
The conference is being held in Sydney 13-16 September 2017. Proposals are invited for a range of forums: papers, roundtables and lightening sessions. Deadline for submissions is January 31 2017. Find details here.
If you missed out on this recent OH NSW seminar, you can now read ANU PhD student Atem Atem's presentation on interviewing Sudanese and South Sudanese for the Australian Generations Project here - comments welcome. Audio to follow soon.More »
The panel at the Oral History and Migration Stories seminar, June 26 - from left: Carol McKirdy (facilitator), Atem Atem, Helen Vatsikopoulos and Louise Whelan. The seminar was well attended and concluded with a lively question and answer session. Audio of the presentations will be available soon.
This paper will discuss some of the challenges that I faced conducting interviews for the Australian Generations Oral History Project. I also reflect on some selected themes that emerged from the interviews as I saw them.
I conducted interviews for the Australian Generations Oral History project between 2013 and 2014. My task was to recruit and interview four or five Dinka speakers in Dinka and then transcribe the interviews in English and make time summaries. I eventually interviewed seven Sudanese, two in Dinka, one in Arabic and the rest in English.
The interviews were conversational and in-depth. This was a similar interview method I used for my PhD interviews. I used a modified version of family migration histories interview schedule as proposed by Johannes Pflegerl, which focuses the interview on the whole lived experience of the interviewee from the time they were living in their home country, to displacement and transition, to migration to a new country and life as they experience it in the current host country. The interviews focused on finding out as much as possible about the interviewees in terms of their family social life, education, economic activities, religion, the process of displacement and migration and adjusting to life in the host country. In addition, there were specific questions that I needed to ask in relation to the Australian Generations Oral History project I was interviewing for. For example, there were questions on Medicare, leisure, sexuality, multiculturalism, etc. There were also generational questions that sought to find out what generations the interviewees identified with, how different the generations were from earlier and later generations and so on.
The participants I interviewed were all men except one. Sudanese males were more accessible to me and they had the time to do the interviews.
The age range of the interviewees was diverse, producing interesting dynamics during interviews. For example, Uncle Lungar saw me as a young person who was recording his perspective on the Dinka culture and life in Australia on behalf of South Sudanese youth in diaspora. Therefore, during the entire interview Uncle Lungar placed himself in a position of authority since he was carrying out his duty as an elder addressing the younger generation and in the process educating them on culture and life in diaspora. This also meant that he didn’t answer my questions in the way I would have liked them answered. As a result my role was to keep him talking as long as possible.
The interview with Achol Gai, the only female interviewee, was also quite interesting. She just arrived home as I walked to her flat to conduct the interview. She had left home early that Saturday leaving behind her young daughter and partner. As she showed me the way to her flat, she carried full shopping bags. I was asked to wait until she cooked dinner. Her partner was left with the job of entertaining me. As soon as the cooking was done it was time for dinner. It was not appropriate for me to refuse to join the family to dine since Achol and I know each other quite well. By the time the interview started Achol was exhausted and all she wanted was to spend time with her family.
Understandably, Achol was intending on making the interview as short as possible. It was not likely that the interview with Achol would go on for five hours. So answers were not forth coming or were very short and to the point. This interview was supposed to take half an hour but eventually took one and half-hours. I worked hard to keep the conversation going. Knowing Achol before hand allowed me to draw on common experiences in the past. This got her talking but I had to also accept that we would reverse roles sometimes so that she also asked questions of me. I found myself being the interviewer, the interviewee and the commentator as the interview progressed.
The length of the interview was forbidding for most people though I made it clear that the interviews didn’t need to go for the whole five hours and could be broken up to as many sessions as the interviewees liked. The majority of the interviewees chose to either have marathon five-hour interviews or broke the interviews into two sessions. It was sometime difficult to get people to do the interviews as scheduled. I was not surprised that I had to wait sometime for hours to only be informed that the interviewee was caught up doing something else. For example, in one case the interviewee drove to the airport but on their way back was stuck in traffic for two hours!
Carrying out interviews to obtain oral histories or any information for that matter in the way it is done in research is quite culturally alien for South Sudanese. The interviews were sometime difficult because they went against the culturally appropriate manner in which information was obtained. Normally, the person seeking information visited the person of interest at his/her home. The person of interest then showed the appropriate level of hospitality depending on the status of the visiting person and the pre-existing relationship if there was any.
Questions were not asked directly but a conversation ensued that had nothing to do with the purpose of the visit. After exchanging pleasantries and a general conversation, the person seeking information might weave his enquiry into the conversation. However, in the case where the issues were very serious or the person seeking information had no existing relationship with the person from whom the information was sought, either the person from whom the information was sought indicated that he/she wanted to know why he/she was receiving a visit or the person visiting indicated that he/she was visiting for a specific reason. The framing of the enquiry was done in such a way that it was respectful and normally no direct questions asked. A long vague story was commonly narrated from which the listener worked out what the issue of the enquiry was. The answer to the enquiry was equally long in an effort to address all aspects of the enquiry. The person enquiring then displays his/her satisfaction in what he/she heard or continued the enquiry until his/her enquiry was satisfactorily addressed.
Another issue was my position in relation to the interviewees. I knew two of the interviewees quite well. This can be good. For example, one interviewee hesitated to answer a question but then told me that since I was the one interviewing him he was going to be honest and say something controversial that South Sudanese might not like to hear. However, my position in relation to the interviewees could also be problematic. For example, in the case of Uncle Lungar as mentioned above, it was difficult to get him to speak to the questions because of our individual positions relative to each other in the community – he was an elder and I was a younger person.
One more issue was the fact that the interviewees were not sure of what to think when I explained to them that if they needed to use the stories they were going to tell me during the interview in the future they would need to take permission from the National Library of Australia. I did my best to explain to them how it works. However, it didn’t make sense to some of them that the National Library of Australia was going to own their stories. This was culturally a foreign idea. No one could claim ownership of a story including one’s own story. Once a story was told or experienced and reflected upon it could be used by anyone in the community as much as they wished without asking permission to use it. I made it clear to the interviewees prior to the interviews that they didn’t have to do the interviews if they didn’t agree that they would need to take permission from the National Library of Australia to use their story as recorded by the National Library of Australia in the future. I also assured them that the National Library of Australia couldn’t own their stories.
Impact of war
The majority of Sudanese and South Sudanese who live in Australia came to Australia through the humanitarian program. Their migration was a result of civil war. David Mawel spoke of his war experience. The war that led to the displacement of millions of people in South Sudan between 1983 and 2005 started in Mawel’s hometown. He witnessed it. Mawel was a child then and recalled that he didn’t understand the politics of the war. However, his quest for education made him seek refuge in Ethiopia in the hope of meeting Dr John Garang, the rebel leader, who might get him a scholarship to send him to school. Unfortunately Mawel ended up in the rebel army. Mawel, a child wandering alone in the bush, didn’t have his family with him. He had to survive without the warmth and love of the family. Family to him was important and symbolised in his mind what was normal – peace, order, stability, guidance, protection and love. He accepted to be deprived of his family for a higher and greater goal and that was the freedom of the people of South Sudan. The death of colleagues and friends on the battlefield made Mawel more determined to fight on because the only way to avenge their death was through liberating Sudan from oppression. The experience of Mawel growing up without family was unfortunately not unique. Thousands of South Sudanese children fled their homes leaving behind family. The high profile Lost Boys of Sudan were among these children.
Now that Mawel is in Australia, he wants South Sudanese young people who were born here or grew up here to understand that family is very important and should not be taken for granted. He is saddened when he sees South Sudanese young people in Western Sydney fighting their parents and choosing to live on the streets fighting, drinking and in many cases taking drugs. Mawel believes that authorities in Sydney need to work closely with South Sudanese community, South Sudanese elders and parents to help South Sudanese young people be the best they can be and play a significant role in moving their home Australia forward.
James Mayol experienced the war in a different way. When I met him, he was friendly and very engaging. He came across as an intelligent man and a man who would have led a normal life. During the early stages of the war, Arab militias attacked Mayol’s village in South Sudan. He was kidnapped and sold into slavery. As a young boy he lived as a slave for sometime. His master assigned him to cattle herding. Mayol’s master wanted him to forget his culture and language and take up Islam and the Arabic culture. Mayol quietly resisted. He refused to be assimilated. The process of his assimilation involved watching him closely and making him work hard to break his spirit. However, Mayol had other plans. When the opportunity presented itself to him he ran away. Mayol ended up in the nearest town after a long journey on foot.
Mayol joined a circus as he sought ways to go back home. His natural skills and positive attitude enabled him to join the army as a recruit. He eventually made his way up north and to Eretria to join the South Sudanese rebels. In Eretria, he was unable to join the South Sudanese rebels. However, due to his athletic skills he was chosen to compete at the Olympics. He didn’t compete at the Olympics but instead came to Australia.
Mayol’s life before coming to Australia was full of challenges but he conquered them all. His experience demonstrated his resilience and tenacity. He never gave up even when things looked so murky and impossible to work out. His resilience took him far and continues to drive him. In Australia, Mayol worked hard and took himself through university and simultaneously raised a young family. He completed his university studies in Sydney and returned to South Sudan. He is currently a government minister in South Sudan.
It has been observed that refugees are resilient people. Refugees are determined and innovative in addition to being resilient. This means that they can make something for themselves anywhere they go. Australia’s refugee policy especially that on asylum seekers and the negative discourse around refugees generally have negative impact on refugees in Australia. Australia should be grateful for each refugee who comes here because refugees can make Australia a better place through their resilience, ingenuity, hard work and commitment to this country.
It is very difficult to develop a clear sense of identity in the context of continuous displacement. Achol Gai was born just about the time war broke out in South Sudan in the early 1980s. She separated ways with her parents and siblings who sought refuge in Ethiopia. Achol was left in the village with her grandmother. When Achol was old enough to go to Ethiopia, she joined her family in Ethiopia. However, her father was caught up in the politics of the liberation movement and was detained. He was one of the founders of the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) that planned the war for independence of South Sudan. SPLM has been the ruling party in South Sudan since it gained independence in 2011.
Achol never met her father but had her mother with her always. Strong women had always surrounded her. She spoke of her feminine identity as a source of strength and she would want to pass that on to her young daughter. In Ethiopia she didn’t know she or her family were refugees because no one spoke of refugees. The fact that her father was highly regarded meant that she lived a sheltered life in Ethiopia.
At school in Kenya, Achol came face to face with identity challenges. She was in a foreign country where people spoke different languages and looked different. This was no different from Ethiopia. However, Kenyan schoolmates pointed out that Achol was a refugee. Initially Achol didn’t understand what that meant. The concept of being a refugee in Achol’s mind until she went to school in Kenya was not there. For her, one could live in another country but that is all there was to it. In practice, for Achol, her refugee identity didn’t make any difference. She went to school in Niarobi like other Kenyan children. She spoke Swahili like everyone else and she lived in a decent house that was sometime crowed but as decent as everyone else’s. However, Achol felt that she was walking around with a mark on her forehead that said ‘REFUGEE’. Achol didn’t feel settled in her own skin and Identity in Nairobi. Nobody knew her outside school. Her father in Nairobi, apart from donors who lined up to support her family financially, had no profile and was not known.
Ironically, Achol found her identity in the refugee camp. She loved visiting Kakuma Refugee Camp where most of her relatives lived. They recognised her and her father. She was the daughter of the beloved Martin Majir who was the most respected South Sudanese politician of his time. People in Kakuma recognised Achol as part of the big family. She felt there that she was accepted entirely. The people of the camp were her people and she belonged to them. Before Achol migrated to Australia she lived in Kakuma Refugee Camp where she taught to give back to her community.
Achol’s story seems to suggest that identity is closely connected to the sense of belonging. The way a person is received and perceived in society determines whether someone identifies with that society or not. For Achol, the sense of belonging was found in the most difficult place in Kenya – a refugee camp where she felt her identity was recognised and celebrated. For Achol, it didn’t matter how much she personally gained materially and socially in Nairobi. Her refugee status seemed to place her, at least emotionally, in the category of the other. However, in the refugee camp her refugee identity disappeared and her being who she was was celebrated.
Multiculturalism is probably the most misunderstood and controversial concept. It means different things to different people. For example, for Achol Multiculturalism meant giving people like her another chance. It safeguards against discrimination and racism. However, for James Mayol, multiculturalism at the one level is an enabler allowing him to learn English and maybe find a job of some sort. However, it doesn’t go far enough.
Mayol was concerned about the fact that communities in Sydney seemed to be segregated. In a multicultural society he failed to understand why all migrants were settled in Western Sydney. Why was it that North Sydney was reserved for Anglo-Australians? Why was it that the Lebanese congregate in one part of Sydney while the Vietnamese in Another? Mayol suggested that there was little intercultural interaction that was going on among communities in Sydney. This, according to him, was not what he understood multiculturalism was or should be.
Mayol also pointed out that in a multicultural society, people with difference should be accepted and included. However, in Australia multiculturalism seemed to be about some exclusionary hierarchy based on material possession. He felt that his children would always have less then everyone else because he had nothing to pass on to them. When Australian children grew up they inherited money or property that they continued building on and eventually passed on to the next generation. Mayol predicted that it would take generations for his descents to get to the point where they had accumulated enough wealth to set them up at equal footing with other Australians. Mayol seemed to think that in a multicultural society this should not be the case – people should not belong based on what they own but on who they are.
In addition Mayol gave some psychological interpretation of what happened to migrants in a multicultural society – they were torn between the home country and the host country. Migrants couldn’t forget their home country and the people they lived with before migrating. However, the migrant cannot leave his/her children in Australia and return home. So the migrant in a multicultural society was torn between two worlds – the world of his people and the new world of his children. The migrant would go back home for a little while to enjoy the company of his people that he would miss while in Australia. However, he would miss his children while at home and would feel that his absence from his children for long periods wasn’t acceptable. Mayol concluded that there was no resolution to this struggle.
I have described above how I carried out interviews for the Australian Generations Oral History Project and the issues that I had come up against as I worked with different members of the Sudanese community. My status as a member of the community was very influential in how interviewees were recruited and the way the interviews preceded. The interviewee’s choice of what questions to answer and how to answer them was entirely determined by the interview dynamics created by my community membership and my status in relation to individual interviewees.
Ownership of recorded oral history material was difficult to explain to people from oral traditions. At least in the Sudanese and South Sudanese oral traditions, the community owned histories and stories collectively and every member of the community had the right to use oral history, stories, songs, poems, etc. in the way that best suit them. In most cases the way oral material was used was dependent on the occasion when the oral material was performed and the audience. This issue needs to be recognised and addressed when recording oral history with people who might come from oral traditions like the Sudanese.I have also presented a selection of themes for this presentation. These included the experience of war by former refugees; the resilience former refugees brought with them and continue to thrive on, identity and finally multiculturalism. These themes are common in migration studies. However, seeing them from purely Sudanese and South Sudanese perspective could give us a more nuance understanding of them. The themes also engage with what it means to be Australian and how Australians should treat each other irrespective of their heritage and legal status. In addition, the themes engage with the place of Australia in the world and how Australians should respond to international humanitarian crises that often bring people on to Australia’s shores seeking asylum.